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jackw102
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Watched a Doco on BBC 4 last night

Dave Tompkins was a petty thief who craved adventure. His career as an international mercenary began in Africa and took him all over the world - to Afghanistan, Croatia and later to Colombia, where he led a team commissioned to assassinate notorious Columbian drug lord Pablo Escobar. He went out with Callan and Copland to Angola he was the explosives guy in the team. While laying some mines he was injured by one going off. Got casavact  back to uk just before Callan executed some of his men. Peter McAleese featured. We had one guy in our squadron who was out there he told me that the only way he survived was to keep to SOP’s staying in the bush and no tracks/roads

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0024986/storyville-dogs-of-war


   
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They've been looking into recovering the stuff off her for years as they reckon it will mostly have degraded to a safer state by now after all those years soaking, but when they were putting a gas pipeline over from Scotland to here a few years back it caused several explosions in the Beaufort Dyke, a deep ravine in the seabed where thousands of tons of WW1 and WW11 stuff was dumped, along with waste from Sellafield or Windscale as it was then. Could be interesting if they ever try to clear her!


   
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Think it might cause a tsunami in the Thames estuary Pat, along with a few burst eardrums mate!


   
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Good excuse for deafness when she starts nagging anyway! 🤣 


   
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Just hope nobody is stupid enough to disturb it!

Wonder what the effect of the tolulenes and other chemicals leaching out of it will be on the local sea life?

 


   
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I wondered too much and asked ChatGpt about it.  Sometimes it can give to much info, but it's brilliant.  The bottom line is the chemical leaching poses a low risk.  Here's the whole reply.

You’re almost certainly thinking of the SS Richard Montgomery — often called Britain’s “doomsday wreck.”

What it is

  • A World War II American cargo ship that ran aground and sank in August 1944 in the Thames Estuary, near Sheerness (Kent).
  • It was carrying thousands of tonnes of munitions for the war effort.

Why it’s famous (and worrying)

  • About 1,400 tonnes of explosives are still on board today.
  • The wreck is unstable and deteriorating, so it’s closely monitored by UK authorities.
  • There’s a strict exclusion zone around it to keep ships away.

Could it explode?

  • Experts disagree on the level of risk, but it’s generally considered low probability but high impact.
  • Some studies suggest a worst-case explosion could:
    • create a large blast wave
    • and possibly a significant surge (small tsunami) in the estuary

What’s being done

  • It’s under constant surveillance and periodic surveys.
  • Plans have included removing the ship’s masts (to prevent collapse-triggered detonation), though full removal of explosives is considered very difficult and risky.

In short

Yes—there really is a sunken ship full of explosives in the Thames Estuary, and it’s been there since 1944. It’s not ignored, but carefully monitored because trying to remove the bombs could be more dangerous than leaving them.

If you want, I can show you exactly where it is on a map or how visible it is from shore.

 
Any chemical effects to local environment from decaying chemicals?
 

Good question—people often assume there must be significant pollution leaking out, but the reality around the SS Richard Montgomery is more nuanced.

What’s actually on board

The cargo is mainly conventional WWII munitions, including:

  • TNT (trinitrotoluene)
  • RDX (a more powerful explosive)
  • Fuzes, detonators, and bombs

These are solid explosives, not liquid chemical weapons or industrial toxins.

Do they leak into the water?

Yes—but only very slowly and in small amounts:

  • Explosives like TNT and RDX do dissolve slightly in seawater
  • Corrosion of casings over decades allows trace quantities to escape

Environmental impact so far

Monitoring around the wreck has shown:

  • Low concentrations of explosive compounds in nearby sediments and water
  • Effects are generally very localized (close to the wreck itself)
  • No clear evidence of widespread contamination across the estuary

This is partly because:

  • The tidal Thames Estuary is highly dynamic, so water movement disperses contaminants
  • The explosives degrade over time into other compounds

Toxicity and marine life

  • TNT and related compounds can be toxic to marine organisms at higher concentrations
  • Near the wreck, there may be:
    • minor impacts on sediment-dwelling organisms
    • bioaccumulation in small amounts

But:

  • Levels detected have generally been below those causing large-scale ecological damage

Bigger risk: physical, not chemical

Authorities are far more concerned about:

  • Structural collapse of the wreck
  • Possible detonation risk

rather than ongoing chemical pollution.


Bottom line

There is some chemical leakage, but:

  • It’s slow, diluted, and localized
  • It hasn’t produced major, estuary-wide environmental damage
  • The explosion risk is considered a much bigger issue than chemical contamination

  

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I don't know what the rules were in those days but would assume the bombs and shells on board would've been stored unfused so maybe the risk of mass explosion is being over estimated, even if the structure collapses which all wrecks eventually do. There's an area off the south coast where planes used to unload their bombs rather than attempting to land with them, where there's a huge accumulation of unexploded ordnance and nobody worries about it. Strangely enough it's also one of the few areas where you can legally be buried at sea!

It's also been suggested that Glenn Millar's plane went down there, caused by a returning bomber dumping it's load on top of the plane he was in!

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It's a good read that guys,thanks Don and Pat for the information. No doubt in my mind that there are a lot of not well intentioned people in the way of some world leaders who would have their eyes on that as a prospective target!


   
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Maybe it's some scheme to lure terrorist groups into trying it. I reckon you'd have a job on your hands getting that lot to explode all together and do the sort of damage they talk about. The explosions in the Beaufort Dyke I mentioned when they were laying the gas pipeline should've wiped half of Scotland and NI off the map if that's the case, with the millions of tons of stuff dumped in there!


   
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Loads of WW11 ordance dumped in the sea, Bomb Disposal quite frequent visititors to the beaches up ere. The stuff the Yanks left on the live firing range on Midhope Moor South Yorks,enough to make a big fukk off BANG! In fact a few years back gamekeeper with a group of heather burners on the moor had a lucky escape when walking back to the gun cabin for a brew, narrowly missed a big explosion where they had been working. Came accross one or two unexploded 75 mm tank rounds when metal detecting on the old WW11 Armoured Vehicle Firing Range on MidhopeMoor, Round intact, drive band customary rifling grooves with dried icing like sugar spewed down the sides. Fukk that, knocking the drive band off to add to the weigh in, just stick to the solid shot! 😵 


   
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There was an awful lot of stuff that was meant to go into the Dyke that was dumped in shallow waters off Wales by unscrupulous skippers on piece work that would just go out a few miles and chuck the stuff in to get back for another load. It still washes up all the time, keeping the bomb disposal mob on their toes!


   
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When I was a kid there was posters up all along the Northumberland coast warning you to beware of mines on the beach areas. Remember that old TV programme Danger UXB, apparently some old dame in London saw it and suddenly realized the the thing she had religiously polished all these years was a butterfly bomb!

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There's still hundreds of mines tethered to the seabed in places like the channel between Cornwall and Wales/Ireland, put there to stop U Boats heading through there. Surprised more haven't broken free and bobbed about putting holes in things!


   
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There's a lot of U boats lying around down there as well Pat, wonder what secrets they hold!


   
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Thiz a box ee-ad sub on the sea bed up ere along wi other sunken ships, mind you the rough Norf Sea at high tide I aint fukkin surprised! 😧 

 


   
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