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  • #16
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    Them big fukk off hospitals that wo knocked out in 10 minutes o,er ere ta cope wi thousands o patients sufferin from this dreaded lurg are almost fukkin empty, 20 I think at present in the London joint, n others empty. A think they,re tekkin the fukkin piss!

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    • #17
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      Originally posted by standinthedoor View Post
      And immediately some c**t feels that the App to follow the virus is an invasion of his civil liberties and he may take the government to court to stop it. I reckon being on a ventilator in a Covid ward may be an even greater 'invasion of my liberties'. I understand some cynicism and theories about conspiracies but they need to get out and try to get a bit of fresh air and daylight, most live in a fantasy world. So far about 30,000 people have died, waken the f**k up!
      Originally posted by stephenfrank View Post
      We've had the App over here for a couple of weeks and the world hasn't ended.
      Originally posted by Forever Young View Post
      With almost 6 million downloads to date
      The problem is, when this is all over, these apps/laws (and the police having permission to tell people to get off the streets), won't suddenly disappear. The civil liberties argument is the continued use of this overt surveillance afterwards. Now, we all know we can easily be tracked at the moment, but the difference this time is people have allowed it. This is backdoor consent, or, as Noam Chomsky called it in his book of the same title, 'Manufactured Consent'.

      I read at the beginning of this, that the US Senate quietly pushed through a Warrantless Surveillance bill during all the distraction.
      "We're surrounded on all sides... Good... you're obviously in the right place".

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      • #18
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        Originally posted by trubrit2411 View Post
        Read the ****in' post again. It aint my words Its a Stanford University Study FFS

        Hospitals cant cope... ? Overwheolmed ? There are tents here erected waiting for the onslaught. THERES NO ****ER IN THEM. Nobody came.
        Tony - sorry not supposed to be a dig at you the person, but the fukk**s that put this shit out - Stanford Uni may have some clever people, but they are clever at distorting truth - my point is if 100 people get the flu and 10 people die then the death rate is 10%. If 1,000,000 people get COVID and 50,000 die, then death rate is 5% - so much less than the death rate of the flu!!

        What really riles me is we are talking about people dead, people that would not normally be dead - 80,000 that died in UK may not have got that much attention in terms of population reaction, but to every one of those dead people, the families talked about it and felt the pain until the day they died - if it is preventable, then it should be prevented - assessing loss of life as an acceptable risk to go to MacDonalds is not frikken right!
        I just don't understand why they won't shut the hell up while I practice my people skills....

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        • #19
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          End of day we all have to form our own opinions of causes, risks, reaction of govt and population etc, and how we as individuals will address what we do to keep ourselves, our families and our contacts as safe as possible. All mates and nowt wrong with a difference of opinion on a subject this serious. after a bit of a scrap we can all have the pint and forget it, but for my part I like to read other peoples views, not judging who is right and who is wrong, on this virus no one knows yet!

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          • #20
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            Spot on theer Ron, our opinions are generally formed on ow situations affect us and our loved ones personally, a case of walk in my shoes befoor tha criticises or sez owt. Example, the constant bangin on about ow brill the NHS is but my personal experience leaves mi wi reservations about all the media propoganda spewing out all the bell ringin, hand clappin about em. Kunts almost killed our eldest daughter by givin er medication that strictly sed on er notes not to. Result, cardiac arrest, grandson born 13 weeks premature weighin az much az a fukkin bag o sugar, daughter on life support machine fer 6 weeks, touch n gu until she eventually came round but sufferin lung n brain damage. A few years earlier, the "Trouble" coppin fer a ruptured Achilles heel which the surgeon med a complete bollox of n still avin big probs nearly 30 years later, n at the time she was a Nurse workin fer the NHS! In both these examples, the kunts close fukkin ranks ta deny their incompetence. Another fine example was when visitin mi dear owd Mum who wuz on er last legs in the Sheffield Alamo hossy, went ta gerra chair fer mesen, took one off a stack n the fukkin thing wuz smeared in human shite. So took it ta the desk weer all the young nurses wo congregated, laffin, jokin n discussin the neet befoors neet on the lash n who thid fukked, showed em but no reaction at all, just teld mi nonchalantly ta gu n gerranother one, then carried on laffin n jokin. Prior ta this Pandemic bollox, the NHS wuz under scrutiny fer a number o "Trusts" (Wot the fukk duz that mean?) fer high numbers o deaths especially infants with no aparrant explanation, so summat deffo a bit dodgy guin on theer. Then outa the Sun came the saviour, the Plandemic, all forgiven n hail ta the NHS. I know that I,m an opinionated owd twat n people reading this may not agree wi mi sentiments, but I say it az I see it n fukk the criticism!

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            • #21
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              Interesting to read all these different opinions. One thing is for certain; whatever the Government, NHS, Media tell us, has to be taken with a pinch of salt. While the main News is about covid 19, elsewhere, the Tory Government have mortgaged the bulk of Great Britain with the secret Financiers who call themselves the International Monetary Fund, thus ensuring that they will be dipping into our pockets for many years to come. Perfect planning in co-operation with our bent Political leaders like Johnson and his bent followers. I can see it all getting too much for the inept twerps to control and God knows what will happen then.

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              • #22
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                Sign up n big brother will be watchin forever

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                • #23
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                  More food for thought.

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                  • #24
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                    Unless you know how many have had it there is no way I can see to calculate the lethality percentage.
                    I bet millions have had it and thought it was flu or a cold or in some cases did'nt even know they had it. Its vicious I think for certain people. I think if I get it....the state of my lungs after that last lot. I will probably die. I feel like I only have 30% lung capacity now.
                    "If they control your speech.....they control your life"
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                    • #25
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                      Well at least some gud news outa this fukkin lot. Lyin bastards in government reckon we,re Champions o Europe in the fried bread stakes n we aint even kicked a fukkin ball yet.

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                      • #26
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                        Dave I spent 16 years trawling round hospitals in the north west looking at their buildingss and their practices. I have provided reports for hospital boards at hospitals you would not send a dog to. My concern is that the country's admiration for the 'front line' doctors and nurses will bury what really needs sorting out in the NHS- the management of hospitals. Just a small example- procurement and predicting future needs of equipment and medicine etc is not a government job, each hospital has a procurement team. With a simple military head on you would think about what is likely, and in this case predicted to happen, and what kit do I need, and as a bare minimum, if I cannot afford to buy it and store it, where the f**k do I get it from if I need it quickly, which then leads to discussions and agreements with suppliers. Paid huge salaries the 'procurement teams' had done f**k all. There are hundreds of examples about where they are piss poor and as I said, I hope this current admiration for nurses and doctors (and mi daughter is a nurse in London) does not stop a complete overhaul of the whole structure. However, it will! The army have reported that they are getting protective kit and stuff to hospitals and that the NHS are simply issuing it to who shouts the loudest, so no wonder some poor bastard is going short. Nothing to do with hindsight, I think we all know the 6 P's

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                        • #27
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                          It was shown up in their last inquiry that some trusts were paying £15 for a dressing that others were paying less than a quid for. Other examples were basic PPE,gloves etc,that some were paying well over the top for. It was suggested that a single procurement executive like a QM's organisation was set up to get the cheapest deal every time,but of course it was thrown out,and some arseholes continue to line their pockets at the expence of staff and patients,while others,(probably ex military if you looked into it) do their best to get a good deal. The management system is top heavy in the extreme,with each ward for some reason needing a bed manager when the Matron used to do that,and many other jobs farmed out to non medical staff at huge expence just one example,and jumped up ex bank tellers with a degree deciding which operations are within financial expectations of the trusts,and playing God with people's lives,twats!

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                          • #28
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                            Could sit and debate this for a month Pat. Labout introduced PFI in to getting hospitals built. Private Finance Initiative (PFI) was noty a bad idea it got old hospitals rebuilt, but somewhere in the negotiations we got a result which meant that PFI built AND RAN the hospitals, so at exhorbitant costs the PFI lot delivered catering, cleaning, portering, building maintenance, any new builds, car parking and so on, in theory leaving the medics to get on with sorting out patients needs. Slowly I watched the PFI lot control everything in a hospital near Manchester and others. They told the medics where the operating theatres and wards would be and what facilities and IT would be piped in, how everything from waste paper to bodies would be disposed of. I made a case to this Manchester hospital that EVERYTHING should emanate from the patient in the ward or at a consultancy, the doctors and nurses should define what it is they need and the hospital must produce it, all else is bollox, and costly bollox at that. At most hospitals the needs emanate from the PFI people whose main concern is getting as much money as possible from the NHS (I proved that it cost one ward £106 to change a bulb (not kidding)) and stuffing money down their shareholders throats. Got to lay down, do not get mi going FFS!

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                            • #29
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                              Originally posted by standinthedoor View Post
                              Could sit and debate this for a month Pat. Labour introduced PFI in to getting hospitals built. Private Finance Initiative (PFI) was not a bad idea it got old hospitals rebuilt, but somewhere in the negotiations we got a result which meant that PFI built AND RAN the hospitals, so at exhorbitant costs the PFI lot delivered catering, cleaning, portering, building maintenance, any new builds, car parking and so on, in theory leaving the medics to get on with sorting out patients needs. Slowly I watched the PFI lot control everything in a hospital near Manchester and others. They told the medics where the operating theatres and wards would be and what facilities and IT would be piped in, how everything from waste paper to bodies would be disposed of. I made a case to this Manchester hospital that EVERYTHING should emanate from the patient in the ward or at a consultancy, the doctors and nurses should define what it is they need and the hospital must produce it, all else is bollox, and costly bollox at that. At most hospitals the needs emanate from the PFI people whose main concern is getting as much money as possible from the NHS (I proved that it cost one ward £106 to change a bulb (not kidding)) and stuffing money down their shareholders throats. Got to lay down, do not get mi going FFS!
                              Ron, NEW (Red Tory) Labour introduced PFI, which was a Blue Tory policy, in the making since the NHS began(?) and finally created under the Major Govt in 1992 with Norman Lamont as Chancellor.

                              You know that economic system i'm always banging on about, neoliberalism? Well, this is all part of that type of economics, they want to financialise and privatise absolutely everything.

                              Whereas we previously had a NHS that included all the functions you mention, the NL's wanted that broken up and costed then privatised to be sold on the stock markets. Now, there may be an argument for separating these ancillary functions from the NHS's core business of making people well, but to do it under the guise of market efficiency does not really fly when you consider the changes in the financial rule book that allows manipulation of these markets that is not in the interest of a public service. Profit and personal greed are the antithesis of a public service. They lead to greedy fukkers like this caring NHS employee:

                              "We're surrounded on all sides... Good... you're obviously in the right place".

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                              • #30
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                                This c**t should bwe shot and there are many countries where he would be. The 'riots' we had across the UK a few years ago led to some very hard sentences the Cameron (I think) demanded from the judiciary to show that rioting would not be tolerated. A similar edict should be given to the judiciary relating to anyone found guilty of profiteering in the pandemic. Jail the bastards!

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