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Gil
9th August 2020, 14:11
This week end August the 6th 2009............................

We remember and honour Corporal Kevin Mulligan aged 25 years...............SFSG 1 PARA
Lance Corporal Dale Hopkins aged 23 years ..........................................SFSG 1 PARA
Private Kyle Adams aged 21 years............................................. ..........SFSG 1 PARA

of The Parachute Regiment who were killed in action at Lashkar Gah, Helmand Province, Afghanistan.
RIP to them all, what an absolute waste.

billS
9th August 2020, 16:29
RIP gents

bob9739
9th August 2020, 16:45
RIP Lads, you won't be forgotten

billy meikle
9th August 2020, 17:53
rest in peace lads, i must say a complete and utter waste of young lions.

Dave Burgess
9th August 2020, 19:46
R.I.P.Lads.

peter dearden
9th August 2020, 20:30
R.I.P.

trubrit2411
10th August 2020, 02:17
RIP Lads.

stephenfrank
10th August 2020, 04:42
RIP. Brothers.

taff
10th August 2020, 10:16
RIP ​Lads.

Taff Loxton
10th August 2020, 17:31
RIP

trubrit2411
10th August 2020, 22:16
This week end August the 6th 2009............................

We remember and honour Corporal Kevin Mulligan aged 25 years...............SFSG 1 PARA
Lance Corporal Dale Hopkins aged 23 years ..........................................SFSG 1 PARA
Private Kyle Adams aged 21 years............................................. ..........SFSG 1 PARA

of The Parachute Regiment who were killed in action at Lashkar Gah, Helmand Province, Afghanistan.
RIP to them all, what an absolute waste.

How did this happen Gil. Ambush ? Assault ? On Patrol ?

Gil
11th August 2020, 09:03
It was Op Herrick in Helmand 6/9/2009 when their Jackal hit an IED............tragic waste, and shows the protection some kit afforded them doing their roll!!!

paradrummer
11th August 2020, 16:13
R.I P lads and God bless your loved ones who are still grieving .

standinthedoor
11th August 2020, 22:52
I remember having a chat with an RAF helicopter pilot I knew from way back at that time. Very few helicopters available to the lads so they moved from shithole to shithole in inadequate vehicles. Its hard to IED a helicopter. this RAF bloke said that there were more helicopters sitting around in Hampshire (doing f**k all) than there were in Helmand. He says they used to chase MoD up to get the Chinooks and other helicopters out there but says they were always met with some ready made technical reason why they could not be shipped out 'just yet'. He figured it was the bean counters who did not like the idea of using 'expensive helicopters as a taxi service for the infantry'. I rest mi case M'Lud, shoot the c**ts!

Gil
13th August 2020, 11:08
Nothing makes any sense looking back at the Helmand period of the war.
What an absolute waste of so many young lives many personal friends of mine through my son.
2 PARA and 3 PARA always seemed to be at the sharp end and in the worst areas, and lost lots of lads.....................for what, maybe I'm just cynical!!

I do remember the lads when we were on the lash on R&R saying the helis they had over heated too easily and they relied heavily on the yansk for nearly everything.

Used to think the same when we were being rotated over and over, once three times in a year to NI. Often thought do I want to do this for 22 years, and we lost a lot of lads there too, but at least we had some cracking ACC pilots and heli's in the form of Gazelles/Sioux's/Scouts and RAF Pumas occasionally!

trubrit2411
13th August 2020, 11:18
You know what I could never figure out ? That FOB system. Were single units were posted / positioned deep in enemy territory Alamo fashion. Then expected to leave on patrol every day. It was like they were occupying an area with just a company of blokes.

Gil
13th August 2020, 20:08
Sadly, its the same process we carried out "over and over again" in NI/Aden/Malaya/Iraq/Macedonia/Middle East/Dofar etc
We set up in a remote TA centre or school, or an old unused Foreign Legion Fort and "Policed" the whole area from there, calling in Air Assets as and when we needed them when we were under attack or just to give them a warning burst!!!
The FOB system was named in Afghanistan, because they were ALL linked. Sadly comes in a hot country is shite, but what comes they had with their own dedicated 216 lad with them at each FOB seemed to work OK.
Any views?

standinthedoor
14th August 2020, 00:20
Getting a bit crotchety now but my recollections of being pushed forward in to 'outposts' (no matter what name they gave them) was that the lads up the sharp end were totally reliant on support getting to them very quickly, whether that was boots or air support, the communications had to be instant and the reaction immediate. Often when the shit hit the proverbial, the 'plan' was not clearly understood by all the players, the communications frequently failed (was it 43 Sets?), the reaction force were in bed, and if the reaction force were awake the transport (air or trucks was often not ready) Learned to assume that f**k ups would happen and go out with enough clout to make the t**ts think twice. Any wash up after an incident every c**t had an excuse. Not sure whether that impression carried through to the shit-holes experienced by lads later

Gil
14th August 2020, 08:45
Spot on...............we just "soldiered on" in whichever shithole they deemed a necessary spot for us to inhabit and defend to the last.

trubrit2411
14th August 2020, 17:32
Yes Gil but you could get away with that in some places....even in Aden and up the Radfan.....but the Taliban was/is a different kettle of fish. They are a formidable dedicated and fervent enemy that had just put the Russians away. I believe George Bush and his War Hawks Wolfowitz and Co...had no idea of Afghan history when they decided to actually occupy the place. In fact I think they were woefully ignorant after what happened in Nam. They certainly never read about Elpinstone's retreat from Kabul.

Like Wig sez FOB's only work if everything works like clockwork. The 3 Para lads stuck out on that one in Sanguin had a lucky escape I think. Give a tad bit longer for the Taliban to coalesce and that could have been a deadly outcome.
Like Hill 9 with those Russian Para's

I believe Steve O'Connell has tabbed that hill. He put a post on here about it if I remember right.

bob9739
15th August 2020, 16:19
Makes you wonder why youngsters at school are not taught about modern conflicts and the affect it has on its participants. I believe it is because teachers won't discuss it because they object to military intervention. This subject is just as important to kids education as is past conflicts, as it may affect their future . Or Am I totally wrong here ?

Dave Burgess
15th August 2020, 17:51
All these conflicts o called Brushfire Wars Bob, summat that modern generations no fukk all about.

trubrit2411
15th August 2020, 18:35
Think about it Dave. You I Para and 43 Cmdo blokes were the very last of the Colonial Soldiers that manned these Colonial Outposts. What we got left now....Belize ?

Gil
15th August 2020, 18:44
I suppose FOB's on our 2 PARA border tour, were Forkhill and Crossmaglen, no different to all the other small wars IMHO!
You still have to get from A to B without losing your life.

Dave Burgess
15th August 2020, 20:26
Think about it Dave. You I Para and 43 Cmdo blokes were the very last of the Colonial Soldiers that manned these Colonial Outposts. What we got left now....Belize ?

Aint even got our own country now Tone, well not the one we were brought up in and served loyally. Twats in succesive governments have surrendered the country we once knew and loved, to the Muslims and shite they,ve lerrin from far flung shithoyles and given em the rights that we once ad. Who wudda thought in the carefree days of our youth that overtime the country wud slide inta the fukkin state it iz now? Criminal offence ta express views that you believe in, geezers shaggin n marryin geezers, tash shaggin n marryin tash classed az perfectly normal behaviour, fukk off! Not in my World! Tha turns the gogglebox on these days n it,s like Bongo Bongo land TV n a prog comes on n tha sees two geezers snoggin each other in a race ta see who gets ta use the Vaseline first. Transgender n Gay Pride rule the fukkin roost wi anyone I class az "Normal" a virtual fukkin outcast. Just imagine way back in our skoyl days a geezer in our class turnin up in iz sisters dress tellin everyone that eez decided ta be a girl, quite "Normal" these days burra just don,t fukkin buy it cos a reckon the crafty kunts just wanna find a way ta gu inta the girls showers then nip inta the bog fer a crafty wank. Ang on a bit! Why the fukk dint I think o that 58 fukkin years agu?

standinthedoor
17th August 2020, 15:45
Makes you wonder why youngsters at school are not taught about modern conflicts and the affect it has on its participants. I believe it is because teachers won't discuss it because they object to military intervention. This subject is just as important to kids education as is past conflicts, as it may affect their future . Or Am I totally wrong here ?

No you are not wrong Bob. Kids now think that the bad bastards in WW2 were the allies, particularly for dropping 2 A bombs on those slant eyed bastards. They are not taught that the Japs were slaughtering the Chinese in their millions long before Pearl Harbour, they are not taught that Germany, Japan and Italy were the aggressors, not the Allies. Japan had been involved in attacking or threatening to attack neighbouring countries since WW1. Watch 'The Rape of Nanking on Youtube (I would show it to all high schools) I do not care how hardened a soldier you may be, it will sicken. Germany had initiated 11 years of total war in a 30 year period. Britain, France, Russia and the US had no aim to attack anyone at that time. If the allies had attacked mainland Japan they estimated about 2,000,000 allied casualties, kids are not taught that. In fact I think the 2 bombs saved Japanese lives, imagine the huge bombing forces held at that time by the US, Russia and the UK all attacking Japan, they would have carpet bombed the whole country before an allied boot touched soil, killing millions of the short arsed t**ts.. I wonder if Hitler would have hesitated to atom bomb London had they won the race for the bomb?

Dave Burgess
17th August 2020, 17:04
Or that the slant eyed bastards bayoneted ta dee-ath nurses n helpless patients in Singapore. Not exactly snowflake PC that I reckon!

Don the Mod
23rd August 2020, 17:04
No you are not wrong Bob. Kids now think that the bad bastards in WW2 were the allies, particularly for dropping 2 A bombs on those slant eyed bastards. They are not taught that the Japs were slaughtering the Chinese in their millions long before Pearl Harbour, they are not taught that Germany, Japan and Italy were the aggressors, not the Allies. Japan had been involved in attacking or threatening to attack neighbouring countries since WW1. Watch 'The Rape of Nanking on Youtube (I would show it to all high schools) I do not care how hardened a soldier you may be, it will sicken. Germany had initiated 11 years of total war in a 30 year period. Britain, France, Russia and the US had no aim to attack anyone at that time. If the allies had attacked mainland Japan they estimated about 2,000,000 allied casualties, kids are not taught that. In fact I think the 2 bombs saved Japanese lives, imagine the huge bombing forces held at that time by the US, Russia and the UK all attacking Japan, they would have carpet bombed the whole country before an allied boot touched soil, killing millions of the short arsed t**ts.. I wonder if Hitler would have hesitated to atom bomb London had they won the race for the bomb?
The school i was in we taught about WW2 in the modern studies class, because the teacher wanted to teach it. In mainstream schools they MUST stick to the national curriculum. I could never have worked in a "normal" school.